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Adds support for Qwen/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next — 180B MoE, 512 routed experts at top-10 and 640 wide, hybrid Gated DeltaNet + Qwen Sparse Attention — plus the converter features it needed and the vision path.

Result: a 52.00 GiB build that runs fully resident on a 64 GB Mac at ~15 tok/s with vision. Every published MLX build of this model is ≥63.0 GiB and none of them load resident.

Architecture

  • models/qwen4_exp.py — vendored from the still-open mlx-lm PR #1788, imports rewritten absolute. compat.py aliases it into mlx_lm.models and self-disables once mlx-lm ships the type natively, so this file stops being consulted with no code change. One deliberate deviation from upstream, documented in the module docstring: an optional rope_cs argument threaded to Attention, defaulting to None so the text path is unchanged.
  • models/qwen4_exp_vision.py (new) — the tower is a Qwen3-VL tower: all 333 vision tensors load into mlx-vlm's implementation strict=True, so it is reused rather than reimplemented. Adds 3-D position building, interleaved MRoPE (mrope_section [11, 11, 10]), and feature splicing. mlx-vlm is imported lazily and only here — the text model keeps no vision dependency.

Converter

flag why
--quantize-extras, --extras-bits, --extras-group-size Quantize the bf16 remainder the polar path never touches — nn.Embedding above all. Not optional on this model: its n-gram/PLE table is 51.2B parameters, 28% of the weights. Skipping it gives a ~124 GiB build instead of ~52 GiB.
--protect-expert-layers, --protect-bits Layer protection for the text/streaming converters. Selected by module type plus layer index, not by expert-container name — the existing VLM implementation matches .experts. and cannot match this model's switch_mlp.

Two silent-miss fixes in the same area:

  • bits_for_path exempted shared_experts (plural, Qwen3/Kimi spelling) but not the singular shared_expert this model uses, so an always-on expert was landing in the sub-2-bit tier.
  • The QSA block indexer is now kept at full precision. It top-k selects which KV blocks a query may read — a discrete choice, like a MoE router — and the whole thing is 0.04 GiB.
  • A tensor width that is not divisible by the group size now warns loudly. The 160-wide n-gram shards are silently excluded at the g64 default, which would quietly leave 95 GiB unquantized.

Fixes

  • Streaming affine-extras retained every source weight. The loop iterated list(model.named_modules()), which keeps each original module alive for the whole loop; on this model that is the entire 95.4 GiB bf16 n-gram table. It killed three 180B conversions 71–90% of the way through that phase. Now iterates paths and releases each module.
  • SafetensorsExpertReader.close() also catches AttributeError — at interpreter teardown os may already be None, which printed an ignored-exception traceback on every streaming exit.

Tests

626 passing, 3 skipped (+28). The new regressions target the failure modes that were hard to see:

  • memory retention, using lazily created weights — the original toy tests missed the bug because their weights were already materialised
  • the silent group-size exclusion
  • the singular shared_expert
  • that rope_cs actually reaches Attention, rather than being threaded and ignored

Also in this PR (second commit) — two changes that predate this work

Folded in so they ship in the same release rather than trailing it:

  • pyproject: ship turboquant_mlx.benchmarks. The README and the model
    cards tell people to run python -m turboquant_mlx.benchmarks.eval_vlm_perplexity ...,
    which until now worked only from a git checkout. It is a real package
    (__init__.py present) holding pure scripts.
  • serve_vlm: route the first mlx_vlm import through _require_mlx_vlm().
    Without the [vlm] extra, turboquant-serve-vlm --help ended in a
    ModuleNotFoundError traceback instead of the one-line install instruction.

Notes for review

  • models/qwen4_exp.py is vendored from an unmerged PR. When #1788 lands, the alias self-disables and the file can be deleted; the rope_cs deviation is the only thing to re-apply.
  • Known approximation: with images, the QSA block indexer keeps 1-D sequence positions; only token positions become 3-D. Unverified against the reference.
  • Weights: https://huggingface.co/manjunathshiva/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-tq4a-tq2e-g64 (not loadable until a release ships qwen4_exp).

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Summary by CodeRabbit

  • New Features

    • Added support for Qwen3.8-Flash-Next, including image understanding.
    • Added options to quantize additional model components and protect selected expert layers with configurable precision.
    • Added compatibility support for loading the new model architecture.
    • Included benchmarking tools in installed packages.
  • Bug Fixes

    • Improved streaming quantization memory usage.
    • Corrected expert, attention, sparse-attention, and KV-cache precision handling.
    • Improved cleanup reliability during shutdown.
    • Improved error messaging when vision dependencies are unavailable.
  • Tests

    • Added coverage for model conversion, vision inputs, quantization, layer protection, streaming memory, and cleanup.

180B MoE: 512 routed experts at top-10 and 640 wide, hybrid Gated DeltaNet +
Qwen Sparse Attention, 262K context. Adds the architecture, the vision path,
and the converter features the model needed.

Architecture
- models/qwen4_exp.py vendored from the open mlx-lm PR #1788, imports rewritten
  absolute. compat.py aliases it into mlx_lm.models and self-disables the moment
  mlx-lm ships the type natively. One deliberate deviation from upstream: an
  optional rope_cs argument threaded down to Attention, defaulting to None so
  the text path is unchanged, so the vision path can supply 3-D MRoPE positions.
- models/qwen4_exp_vision.py: tower loading, 3-D position building, interleaved
  MRoPE, feature splicing. The tower is a Qwen3-VL tower and mlx-vlm's
  implementation loads all 333 tensors strict, so it is reused rather than
  reimplemented. mlx-vlm is imported lazily and only there.

Converter
- --quantize-extras quantizes the bf16 remainder the polar path never touches,
  nn.Embedding above all. Not optional on this model: its n-gram/PLE table is
  51.2B parameters, 28% of the weights, and skipping it yields a ~124 GiB build
  instead of ~52 GiB. A width that is not divisible by the group size now warns
  loudly rather than being dropped in silence.
- --protect-expert-layers for the text and streaming converters, selected by
  module type plus layer index rather than expert-container name.
- bits_for_path exempts a singular shared_expert; the always-on shared expert
  was landing in the sub-2-bit expert tier.
- The QSA block indexer stays at full precision: it top-k selects which KV
  blocks a query reads, a discrete choice like a router, and costs 0.04 GiB.

Fixes
- Streaming affine-extras held every source weight alive by iterating
  list(model.named_modules()); on this model that is the whole 95.4 GiB bf16
  n-gram table, and it killed three conversions 71-90% through that phase.
- SafetensorsExpertReader.close() also catches AttributeError, since os may
  already be None during interpreter teardown.

Tests: 626 passing, 3 skipped. New regressions cover the memory retention (with
lazily created weights, which is what made the original bug invisible), the
silent group-size exclusion, the singular shared_expert, and a check that
rope_cs actually reaches Attention rather than being threaded and ignored.
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Adds Qwen4-Exp text and vision support, compatibility registration, expert-layer protection, affine extras quantization, streaming cleanup, CLI options, packaging updates, and regression tests.

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Qwen4-Exp model runtime
models/qwen4_exp.py, compat.py, tests/test_qwen4_exp.py
Adds hybrid Gated DeltaNet and sparse attention execution, MoE routing, n-gram and PLE embeddings, cache handling, weight sanitization, fused-KV patch resolution, and compatibility registration.
Qwen4-Exp vision path
models/qwen4_exp_vision.py, tests/test_qwen4_exp_vision.py
Adds Qwen3-VL vision loading, image feature splicing, 3-D positions, MRoPE values, rope_cs handling, and batch-size validation.
Protected expert-layer configuration
config.py, convert.py, quantize_model.py, tests/test_layer_protection.py
Adds protected layer selection, validation, serialization, CLI parsing, Gaussian-codebook quantization, and unmatched-layer warnings.
Affine extras quantization and streaming
quantize_model.py, convert.py, convert_streaming.py, tests/test_qwen4_exp.py, tests/test_streaming_extras_memory.py
Adds resident and streaming quantization for eligible extra modules. Streaming replaces processed modules and releases source weights.
Compatibility, cleanup, and packaging
layers/polar_kv_cache.py, stream/safetensors_reader.py, serve_vlm.py, pyproject.toml, CHANGELOG.md
Preserves KV-cache subclasses, handles teardown cleanup, improves missing-extra diagnostics, ships benchmarks in the wheel, and documents the changes.

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- pyproject: add turboquant_mlx.benchmarks to the shipped packages. The README
  and the model cards tell people to run
  `python -m turboquant_mlx.benchmarks.eval_vlm_perplexity ...`, which until now
  only worked from a git checkout. The directory is a real package and holds
  pure scripts; the results JSONs beside them are records and nothing reads one
  at runtime.

- serve_vlm: route the first mlx_vlm import through _require_mlx_vlm(). Without
  the [vlm] extra installed, `turboquant-serve-vlm --help` ended in a
  ModuleNotFoundError traceback instead of the one line that tells you how to
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- Around line 134-144: Update splice_image_features to explicitly reject inputs
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CI: all green — CodeQL, Analyze (python), build sdist, pytest on 3.10 / 3.11 / 3.12.

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#93 unused import Optional in models/qwen4_exp_vision.py Fixed in 8aaf507 — real, mine.
#92 "importing value of mutable attribute" (scaled_dot_product_attention) in models/qwen4_exp.py Not fixing — suggest dismissing. That file is vendored from mlx-lm PR #1788 and is kept as close to upstream as possible so it can simply be deleted when the PR merges. The same from mlx_lm.models.base import … pattern is already used by models/kimi_k3.py, models/laguna.py and models/sarvam_moe.py. Rewriting it would add divergence for no runtime behaviour change.

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  • 63 of the missing docstrings are in the vendored models/qwen4_exp.py — upstream's code, deliberately unmodified.
  • Excluding it, coverage is 48.7%, and the remainder is mostly trivial __init__ methods, test helper functions, and pre-existing functions in files this PR merely touches (serve_vlm.py 7, stream/safetensors_reader.py 6, compat.py 5). The check is scoped to every function in a touched file, not to functions this PR adds.
  • The API this PR actually introduces is documented, usually at length: quantize_affine_extras, the whole of models/qwen4_exp_vision.py, _is_router, bits_for_path, _parse_layer_list, and the new flags.

Chasing the threshold would mean adding boilerplate to one-line constructors and to vendored upstream code. Not doing that; flagging it here so the decision is explicit rather than ignored.

Both from CodeRabbit review on #101.

- quantize_affine_extras accepted any module exposing to_quantized, so
  --quantize-extras re-quantized the narrow linears the polar path rejects on
  purpose (output_dims < 32: Kimi K3's AttnRes score projections, and
  Qwen3.8-Flash-Next's 96 hyper-connection block_inject_weight matrices of shape
  (4, 640)). Quantization noise on a gating vector costs quality for ~0 bytes.
  Embeddings are unaffected -- _should_quantize rejects every nn.Embedding and
  claiming them is this tier's whole purpose.

- splice_image_features counted placeholders across the batch but scattered into
  row 0 only, so a batch of 2 could pass the count check and silently leave the
  other rows' placeholder embeddings zeroed. Now rejects batch > 1 explicitly.

Tests: 628 passing, 3 skipped.
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Found while triaging CodeQL #92 (py/import-of-mutable-attribute) on #101.

- convert_cache_to_turboquant replaced every KVCache *subclass* as well, and
  qwen4_exp's _AttnCache is one: it carries the sparse-attention indexer keys.
  Those were dropped, so each decode step saw only its own key, fell under
  indexer_budget and attended densely -- no error, a different model. On the
  toy model: max logit drift 0.22 with the indexer dropped, 0.003 with 8-bit KV
  and the indexer kept. Only exact KVCache converts now; subclasses stay at
  full precision with a once-per-process warning (serve converts per request).
  _AttnCache is the only KVCache subclass in mlx-lm 0.31.3 or any local port,
  so no other model changes.

- qwen4_exp called a `from mlx_lm.models.base import` copy of
  scaled_dot_product_attention, which the --kv-fused patch misses when the model
  is imported after the patch is installed. It now resolves the function
  through the module at call time, as laguna and kimi_k3 already do.
  Documented as the second deliberate deviation from the vendored upstream.

Tests: 3 new, each failing on the old code on its own assertion.
631 passing, 3 skipped.
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bdd3b06 — CodeQL #92 was pointing at a real bug

I had planned to suggest dismissing CodeQL #92 (py/import-of-mutable-attribute in the vendored qwen4_exp.py). While tracing it I found a real bug next to it.

1. --kv-bits silently turned Qwen Sparse Attention dense (the bigger one)
convert_cache_to_turboquant replaced every KVCache subclass, and qwen4_exp's _AttnCache is one. It carries the sparse-attention indexer keys, which were dropped. Each decode step then saw only its own key, fell under indexer_budget, and attended to every token. There was no error; it just behaved as a different model.

tiny model, prefill 12 + decode 10 past the budget max logit error
plain KVCache, indexer dropped (full precision) 0.216
8-bit TurboQuant KV, indexer dropped (what shipped) 0.216
8-bit TurboQuant KV, indexer kept 0.003

Fix: only exact KVCache converts. Subclasses stay at full precision with a warning printed once per process; serve converts once per request, so a per-call warning would repeat. _AttnCache is the only KVCache subclass in mlx-lm 0.31.3 or any local port, so no other model changes. Carrying the indexer through a TurboQuant cache would also work (trim, state and merge would need it too). That can be a follow-up; it is not a pre-merge fix.

2. CodeQL #92 itself
The --kv-fused patch replaces mlx_lm.models.base.scaled_dot_product_attention and re-binds copies only in modules already imported. It reaches qwen4_exp today through its mlx_lm.models alias, but would miss it if the model were imported after the patch was installed. Attention now resolves the function through the module at call time, as laguna and kimi_k3 already do. This is documented as the second deliberate deviation from the vendored upstream. The alert should close on the rescan.

Tests: 3 new tests, each failing on the old code on its own assertion (cache type swapped; _AttnCache replaced; the spy on base never called). 631 passing, 3 skipped.

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